Masculinity vs Manliness vs Submission

A month or so ago I posted about somehow feeling less manly surrounding having my orgasm controlled. Thumper and others jumped on me about this – in both good and bad ways – and I did re-caliper my thinking around that and realized that they were right, that the act of being denied or being controlled does not make one less manly at all. I get that. I really do.

That said, the last few weeks I have had a nagging thought in my head that has really come to the surface this week about my manliness in general and how, if any, my deeper dive into submission is affecting this level. Frankly, I don’t think it has much to do with it at all, but rather my questioning is just part of the natural aging process and due, likely, to my new exposure out of the almost exclusively gay world I have realized I isolated myself in. To be clear, I am not talking about masculinity. I realize that most dictionaries would say that masculinity and manliness are the same thing, but in this situation, I am breaking them apart.

For me, masculinity is rather natural (pause for the joke from Thumper here). I am a big guy in that big guy way. I am not fat but I ain’t little either. My voice is deep and I carry myself rather mightily when I need to and I cannot be graceful to save my life. However, manliness, in this context, is something I have never really had a traditional stronghold in and, frankly, it has never bothered me until recently. By this, I mean that I am not one to always read a sports page first. I am not outdoorsy, and I don’t wear flannel well at all. In my garage sit a German SUV and a German sports sedan versus a giant truck or a more practical Honda and I have always preferred to do the dishes versus take out the trash. I’ve never intentionally gone the the store in sweatpants and would rather die before wearing a sleeveless shirt even to the gym. I have always been sensitive and cared deeply for those in my world and admitted that to them without shame. That’s just me and always has been.

However, over the past few months, that traditional me has been evolving as I have been looking at trucks, enjoying pre-season baseball, and, just yesterday, wore sweatpants to Target. I even took my shirt off in my car this week, just because.

I’ve allowed myself to question whether real manly men would be feeling the way I do when I get lonely on the road or miss Thumper or my other friends when we don’t connect on schedule, because, in my wrongly thought out mind, missing buddies and feeling unconnected are not associated with manliness. I know that is very very wrong and my need to connect is just who I am and these people I am talking about already know those things and deal with them.

The question in my head has been, why?

At first, I was very quick to blame these thoughts on being subjugated by my husband, by my choice though, or by giving him the control of my penis. I allowed myself to fall victim to the being submissive means you are weaker trap and I have been struggling to find my way out of this even though I know it’s absolutely false while also struggling to actually allow it to happen.

I know this is 100 percent false because, as you might have heard, I have seen Thumper in some really primal submissive places but not once, not even for a second, did I ever think of him as any weaker than when he walked in the door in his business attire with his man bag two hours before. I have always seen him as power and submission together, which is one of the things I think is sexy about him. However, even seeing that and knowing that, I have not been able to figure out why I was not able to apply that same logic to myself and allow myself to climb out of the false subbie box of weakness I had fallen in. This has been an area I have just wanted to sit down and discuss with him, as he is my Manliness Consultant, but time has not been our friend this week and this isn’t a text-able thing.

In addition, and to be absolutely candid, the last few months have been the first time, ever, I have questioned not having children. I have felt a void I didn’t know was there in a sense and have wondered if it was the growing older factor, the impending illness of my mother and seeing my role in her care and thinking ahead, or if I just, finally, wanted to go throw a baseball with my kid. It’s been an odd thing, frankly, because, up until now, I have never given it a second thought.

However, tonight I realized that my questioning of my manliness was truly indeed tied to my new levels of submission, kinkiness, and even switchiness, but just not in the way I naturally assumed.

Turns out, I have decided that it has nothing to do with my soon to be encased penis or, for that matter, even Axel at all. It has to do with, well, this.  I have realized that as I have explored this side of me and made new friends, I have accidentally officially come out of my big, sparkly, glittery gay shell and, for the first time in my adult life, I am truly inside the homes and bedrooms of Thumper, my Chicago friends, my New Zealand friend and others who all have these wonderful lives that are so different from the same old two men and a dog groups of guys I have been around for twenty years. Don’t get me wrong, I love my fabulous flaming friends and have an amazing life, but through these open posts, Twitter, and by having a biflexipan boyfriend with a wife and kids, I am now seeing so much more about how life works with other people. So many more variations of love and happiness, and so many things that I knew was there but just generally lacked inside knowledge of the day to day-ness of it.

So, how does this tie into the manliness questioning? Well, I realized that at 45 years old, this is the first time I am making real friendships with straight-ish men and that I am really enjoying it. Don’t get me wrong, I have always had straight male friends, but I have never had the type of relationships with them that I am enjoying now where we talk about life, sex with our spouses – my male one included, where I can ask about breast sizes and vaginas without shame and where I have a true glimpse into the bonding that two men can share and, because these men are open enough, I can talk about the same things with them and give them a glimpse into the same, often boring world, of a same sex marriage. I have decided that the truck thinking, the sports page reading, and outdoorsy envy are just side effects of the exposure that may go away or, if they don’t, such as with baseball, then I am and will be a better man for it. I liken this to when Friends first aired and I was a 20 something who suddenly decided all of the friends in my life were not pretty or quirky enough and I wanted  to go live in a coffee shop in New York. That didn’t last, but elements of it did such as the picture frame I always have on the back of a door and this giant coffee table I am not sitting in front of, but I am a better man for knowing it and having been exposed to it.

I’ve been too hard on myself recently, but through all these things I have realized that admitting my need to submit is really just another expression of me understanding myself and my relationship and nothing more. In fact, all of these things, are just growing pains and were likely to happen with or without a collar. Many of these posts have been about me vowing this or that and MOST I am sticking to such as the gym, trying to be naked more, and feeling free enough to express myself when needed. So, let’s just add this one to the list as I will now officially stop the self questioning and allow my former self and my new self to blend into what I am thinking will be this big ole mix of switch with a metal dick attached.


  1. … I will now officially stop the self questioning …

    Is that all it takes? One just saying they will do it? I do hope you’re right. I’m going to have to try it.

    Oh to be able to stop asking all the internal questions and just enjoy … That’s the dream.

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  2. One of the wonderful things that happens when quality people come into our lives is that we get the opportunity to see the things we thought we knew through someone else’s eyes. And our eyes are opened to things that we never previously considered. The greater your world becomes, the more you consider how you fit in it. It is a healthy part of self growth, to grow in self awareness. And it’s that awareness – of who you are, of what you want, of how you perceive yourself, of why you think _________ or feel __________, of how you fit – that comes across to me in this post.

    How are we ever to fly if we never leave our nest? You’re unfurling your wings, Drew. Feeling the air currents and gliding in new directions. There might be some turbulence along the way, but that doesn’t mean you jump on a truck to finish your journey.

    And facing mortality – your parents’ and your own – makes all your responses to change and growth come into sharper focus. I have been dealt my own hand and speak from my own experience when I say that.

    A la Stevie Nicks:

    Time makes you bolder
    Children get older
    I’m getting older too

    This is not a sad song to me, but one I relate to. Sometimes change is a gentle lapping on the shore. Other times it’s trying to keep a toehold in a landslide.

    And you’re an INTJ. Wanting to know *why* is intrinsic to your nature. After all, how can you possibly rule the world if you don’t have it All Figured Out? 😉

    Introspection is a Good Thing. Try not to be too hard on yourself. ❤

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  3. Mrs Fever, You’re a tough act to follow!

    Something I’ve only recently been able to do well for myself is to recognize how much my perceptions of people and the world have really shaped my thinking and perception of myself. Seems obvious I know, but essentially there are opinions and stories, and then there are facts. Obviously, right? For much of my life I wasn’t as good at separating the two distinctions as I would like to have thought. When I read about people sharing their lives with other gender orientations gay/straight/bi/trans/poly…etc I’m more fascinated about how much our sexual orientations have been socially programmed as delineations of thoughts, ideals, and self.

    After all Drew, you’re just a guy. An intelligent, sensitive (very), kind, generous guy who prefers intimate relationships with men. We’re all people with preferences. People first, our preferences and orientations are not above our basic human needs to feel connection, love, and acceptance. Marriage, trucks, baseball, submission, and even the choice to raise children are places we can pour our energy into. I’m sure a quality guy like you would shine anywhere you set your focus. Surely, you’ve learned this by now.

    Speaking for myself, it feels damn good to not spend energy justifying my choices but rather have a pure exchange of ideas and experience. Thanks for being you!

    We’re all dining at the buffet of life. Choose what makes you happiest. Bring great company, Tomorrow is not a given.

    ~ Hapa

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  4. Drew,

    We’re a man and a woman with a dog. Sound familiar? Yes, we both had kids and they are not with us (grown or with the ex-spouse). Buying in to society’s stereotypes has to make any of us feel less “masculine”. I like my ass whipped and my wife controls if, when, and how I get to come. I don’t feel less masculine.

    I don’t think masculinity reflects what we do with our penises, just that we have one. Am I less masculine because I don’t have pubic hair and I don’t like beer very much? Does the fact that my wife spanks me and controls my ability to get hard or get off make me less of a man? Should I feel the need to let people know about all this?

    The answer, of course is no. I’m male and a man. How I choose to express myself sexually is irrelevant. The same is true of you.

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  5. What I see in the question “Am I manly enough?” is the question “Am I confirming to the male gender role?” That sounds awfully abstract and I am not clever enough to come up with a better way of saying that. And really, the longer I live, the more I believe that’s all it is. Why the fuck is it manly to read the sports page and drive a truck? Womanly to do the dishes? I’ll stop thinking about that last one lest I start frothing at the mouth.

    Screw that. Fuck it with extreme abandon. Sure, gender roles give people an easy way to know who to be and how to behave. They also cause in immeasurable amount of hurt when people don’t fit those roles neatly. Keep what you like, toss the rest, and screw what the neighbors think.

    On your feeling weak: Vulnerable’s not weak. I’ll point you to a nifty TED talk: Brene Brown on the power of vulnerability.

    When I submit, I am vulnerable. I seek that, I want to be vulnerable to Bear. I am not weak.

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